經(jīng)朋友介紹，香港建筑設計師徐佑榮先生委托我們翻譯其大量文件，包括其接受記者訪(fǎng)談視頻的翻譯。該視頻中記者提問(wèn)問(wèn)題、徐先生回答的英文原文與我們的中文譯文如下：

 

1.      您對于中國原創(chuàng )或原創(chuàng )有什么樣的思考？

00:01:13

China, at the moments, has many many very good talents coming up everyday. At the moments, I think China is still in the process of discovering. … You know in architecture, and I see that a lot of Chinese architects are still looking towards western inspiration, or even perhaps Japanese inspiration，because they are historically more developed in architectural science. But China is also coming up very fast, so I would like to say that originality is happening here, but it just needs more encouragement.

目前，中國每天都能許許多多優(yōu)秀人才，但現在中國仍在發(fā)掘人才。你知道，在建筑業(yè)，我發(fā)現很多中國建筑師仍在追隨西方的靈感，甚至日本的靈感，因為這些國家一貫處于建筑領(lǐng)先水平。不過(guò)中國進(jìn)步的很快，所以我想說(shuō)這里有原創(chuàng )，但還需要更多的鼓勵。

 

2.      您認為什么樣的東西才叫做原創(chuàng )呢？

00:01:50

Actually there’s no such thing as originality, everything has been created already. But as architectural, actually, designers, we should try to inspire from everyday situation or objects rather than designed work already. But my point is actually to say, as designers, we should actually look at everyday life I would like, what we do everyday, and how we see life itself should be to get inspiration, rather than just looking at buildings or designs that have been done by somebody else. I think that’s how we can be more original when you design something.

其實(shí)沒(méi)有什么原創(chuàng )，因為一切都已經(jīng)創(chuàng )造出來(lái)了。但作為建筑設計師，我們應當從生活場(chǎng)景或事物來(lái)獲取靈感，而不是參照已經(jīng)存在的設計。但我的觀(guān)點(diǎn)是，作為設計師我們應該關(guān)注日常生活、我們每天做什么、從生活中獲取靈感，而不是看別人已經(jīng)做出來(lái)的建筑或設計。我想這樣設計才更具原創(chuàng )性。

 

3.      您創(chuàng )意的靈感來(lái)源于哪？

00:02:40

OK, a lot of my inspirations come from a lot of my interests. I like watching Japanese robot cartoons; I like nature a lot; I do a lot of sports myself; I like to, look, climb mountains; you know, I like to meet a lot of people; I like to travel around the world.

And all these things are more or less part of my life. So, my life is the inspiration for my work, I think it’s simply like that.

OK，我的很多靈感來(lái)源于興趣。我喜歡看日本機器人卡通；我很喜歡大自然；我也做很多運動(dòng)；我喜歡登山；我也喜歡結交朋友；我還喜歡周游世界。這些都是我生活的一部分，所以，我的生活就是我工作的靈感來(lái)源，我想就是這樣。

 

4 什么樣的設計才可以稱(chēng)得上是好的設計呢？

00:03:17

I think I can answer this really quickly. To me, a really creative design is wanna go, you know, when I’m surprised. Because when you are surprised, you question. And you question, you learn from this surprise. And that is really the design.

我想我可以很快回答這個(gè)問(wèn)題，對我來(lái)說(shuō)，一件不錯的設計，就是能夠讓我感到驚訝。因為你在驚訝的時(shí)候，會(huì )提問(wèn)。你提問(wèn)就能從中獲益。這就是真正的設計。

 

5 如果您設計手段新穎的話(huà)，是不是會(huì )讓整個(gè)作品呈現不一樣的地方？

00:03:50

I think, in a way, I mean，in the reality of designing a work, we are limited by a lot of, like, rules, ok, money, clients’ needs. And all these are rules that make us have to design for a reason. In a way, I think whatever the design job you’ve had, you can always think about something creative to give your clients. I mean the challenge is to find creativity even when there’s lot of different kinds of controlling factors for the job.

我想，在實(shí)際設計工作中，我們受到很多限制，像規則、預算、客戶(hù)需求等。所有這些規則都迫使我們?yōu)榱四硞€(gè)理由而設計。這樣，不管你的設計工作是什么樣的，你總想交給客戶(hù)一些很有創(chuàng )意的作品。我覺(jué)得挑戰就是即便工作有很多制約，你還是得具有創(chuàng )意。

 

6. 香港的設計環(huán)境和北京的設計環(huán)境有什么不一樣的地方呢？

00:04:42

Ok, at the moment Beijing is extremely well as a design capital. I mean, I see a lot of really creative buildings going on, and many many famous designing firms are opening for offices heads. I think Beijing has a big advantage of, one, because, it’s very big, you know there are a lot of land for buildings. And secondly the actual building regulation in Beijing is more relaxed than Hong Kong. So you can be more creative than Hong Kong, Hong Kong is much smaller.

目前北京是個(gè)非常好的設計之都，我看到了很多頗具創(chuàng )意的建筑，許許多多著(zhù)名設計公司在這里有分公司。我覺(jué)得北京的優(yōu)勢在于，第一，它很大，有很多建筑用地。其次北京的實(shí)際建筑規范要比香港寬松的多。因此你可以比香港更具創(chuàng )意，香港要小得多。

 

7.很多你具有獨特創(chuàng )意的設計可能更容易在北京實(shí)現。

00:05:13

Yeah, I agree with that, yeah, I do, yeah!

對，我同意，沒(méi)錯。

 

8.北京作為設計之都需要加強和改善的地方

00:05:41

I think at the moment what Beijing needs is to promote much more its local talents from universities or from the local profession. Uh, we have to start much earlier to train designers to think more intelligently about the design. And also I think one of the things is that it’s such still a bit of promise. I see a lot of local designers, still worry too much about, be a little crazy with their designs.

我想目前北京需要做的是從大學(xué)或當地同行中提攜本地人才，我們應該更早就開(kāi)始培養設計師們更靈活的思考設計。我想還有一種情況是。。。。，我發(fā)現很多本地設計師們，仍很擔心自己的設計是不是太瘋狂了。

 

9.設計的驅動(dòng)力在哪

00:06:42

The answer of this question… there’s no right answer. You can design based on market value, because we as the designer needs money. We need to design based on how the market will like, probably promote us. But I think as designers, we should, no, I mean, in a way, also introduce new ideas to clients, because, I think, probably like, you know, clients, because design is an introduction to how people accept it. Sometimes our job is also to introduce new ideas to clients themselves, I think. But it is much easier to realize it that we should consider what the markets trend is, but also at the same time, try to be innovating a new market trend. I think that’s what a more successful creative designer will be in the future.

對于這個(gè)問(wèn)題的答案，沒(méi)有一個(gè)標準答案。你可以根據市場(chǎng)價(jià)值來(lái)設計，因為作為設計師我們也需要錢(qián)。我們需要根據市場(chǎng)的喜好來(lái)設計，才可能推銷(xiāo)出去。但是我覺(jué)得作為設計師，我們應該把新穎的觀(guān)念介紹給客戶(hù)，因為設計就是看人們的接受程度。有時(shí)候我們的工作就是向客戶(hù)介紹新想法，但是考慮市場(chǎng)趨勢要容易的多，同時(shí)，試著(zhù)引導市場(chǎng)新趨勢。我想這就是將來(lái)更成功更有創(chuàng )意的設計師的趨勢。

 

10. 對生活方式和設計之間關(guān)系的理解

00:07:55

Well, I mean, we wake up every morning, go to work, come back home, cook, eat, watch TV. Our life is very boring, I’m sorry to say. But as designers we should actually make that lifestyle a little bit more interesting. What I mean is that we can design, say, a clock that looks like a sculpture, when you leave the house in the morning, when you come back, it becomes another sculpture. So you can back a little bit that bored. And in many ways I think, that’s our jobs as designers. And also as architects, we also should create buildings that make people look at a city in a different way. That’s, what, I think, a good architect should do.

我們每天早上醒來(lái)，去上班，回家，煮飯，吃飯，看電視，我們的生活太枯燥?？峙挛业眠@么說(shuō)，但作為設計師我們應該讓生活方式更加有趣。我的意思是，我們可以設計，例如一個(gè)像雕刻的鐘，早上離開(kāi)家的時(shí)候跟回家的時(shí)候，它的形態(tài)不同，這樣會(huì )覺(jué)得不是那么無(wú)聊，我想在很多方面，這都是設計師的工作。作為建筑師，我們也應該設計出人們覺(jué)得城市總有新鮮感的建筑，這才是一個(gè)好的建筑師應該做的。

 

11. 您怎樣權衡設計、藝術(shù)、市場(chǎng)這三者的關(guān)系？

00:09:10

If we talk about the art, design and market triangle, it is just quite common. We have to make marketing the least important, because in order to be truly creative, our answer is, if you truly want to create something original, marketing has to be less considered. Because when you introduce a new concept, you can’t (make a) completely new concept, you can’t look at the market value that much because it’s already been done in that words. So if you want to be an artist and creative, first ignore marketing, think about what you want to do.

談到藝術(shù)、設計和市場(chǎng)之間的關(guān)系，這很尋常。我們應該讓營(yíng)銷(xiāo)成為最不重要的事情，因為要想真正有創(chuàng )意，我們的回答是，如果你真的想做出原創(chuàng )，就應該少考慮營(yíng)銷(xiāo)。因為你引入新觀(guān)念的時(shí)候，它不會(huì )完全是新的，你不可能考慮很多市場(chǎng)價(jià)值，因為已經(jīng)這么做的。如果你想成為有創(chuàng )意的藝術(shù)家，首先要忽略營(yíng)銷(xiāo)，想想自己想做什么。

 

12. 您K LTD公司在眾多建筑設計公司中靠什么確立自己的位置，你們公司的特色是什么？

00:10:06

My company, uh, we have pretty much too rules. Ok, one rule is that we only approach clients who like modern architecture. This is absolutely no change for us because, I think, to be specializing in modern architecture, it makes much better at doing a specific job. If you do too many different things, you distract in a way.

我公司，我們有很多規定。其中一條是我們只接觸喜歡現代建筑的客戶(hù)，這一點(diǎn)我們顯然不會(huì )改變，因為我想專(zhuān)注于現代建筑，就能做的更好。如果做太多不同的事情，就會(huì )分心。

 

Let’s give an example. For example, if you are going to buy a Ferrari, you’ll gonna buy a race car. There’s nothing else they make but race car. And they are really good at it because they only make one kind of car. That’s the reason why I want to tell you.

我來(lái)舉個(gè)例子，例如，如果你想買(mǎi)輛法拉利，就只可能買(mǎi)跑車(chē)，他們不做別的，只做跑車(chē)。他們做的真的很好，因為他們只做這一種車(chē)。這就是我想說(shuō)的原因。

 

And another thing I always tell my workers and actually even my students is that: I try to tell them not to look at too many magazines when they come up with the design solution. Because the more you look at design magazines or what is really good right now, the less you’ll try to use your brain to think of something original unless it becomes a problem.

我經(jīng)常告訴我員工，甚至我學(xué)生的另一件事就是：在尋找設計靈感的時(shí)候，不要看太多雜志，因為你看的設計雜志越多，或了解現在什么是好的，你就越不會(huì )動(dòng)腦筋試著(zhù)原創(chuàng )，這就是一個(gè)問(wèn)題。

 

Sometimes I’ll tell my students or my boys to go out to the mountain, go to the beach, you know, and they come back and list ten objects they see, they really like. And I want them from those ten objects, design something for me.

有時(shí)候我會(huì )讓學(xué)生或員工去爬山、去看海，他們回來(lái)的時(shí)候就列出所看到的十件事物，他們也喜歡這樣，我會(huì )讓他們從這十件事物中得到啟發(fā)，給我設計。

 

13. 您對于您公司在未來(lái)幾年的定位是怎樣的？

00:11:37

I, I’ve been, my furniture have already on sale in Beijing. I have, I have not yet done any architectural work yet. But my interior design work as I already got new clients. And I think in Beijing there are many clients who really like creative design work, to the point, even more than Hong Kong. But uh, I think, it’s just, that’s still a huge market, actually I don’t know Beijing that well. Because even though I’ve been in Beijing for 2 years, I always go back to HK. So I think my company is still trying to explore a very creative market here, which is going to be, I think, a great thing for China in the future.

我的家具已經(jīng)在北京出售了，我還沒(méi)開(kāi)始建筑設計工作，但我內部的設計工作已經(jīng)接到了新客戶(hù)。我想北京有很多真正喜歡創(chuàng )意性設計的客戶(hù)，甚至比香港還多。但我想市場(chǎng)潛力仍很巨大，不過(guò)我還不太了解北京，因為即使我在北京已經(jīng)呆了兩年，還是經(jīng)?；叵愀?。我的公司仍在努力開(kāi)拓更具創(chuàng )意的市場(chǎng)，我想這對中國的未來(lái)也是很大的一件事。

 

14. 國內外設計的差異在哪？中國的設計如果想走出自己的特色，需要借鑒西方的哪些東西？

00:12:42

European or…Perhaps get a lot of …we bring Japanese…because it’s pretty famous of that. Uh, Education system has a very simple philosophy. Try to invent a concept! Don’t follow anybody else, and that shows in their work. In Asia, even Hong Kong and China, it’s still inspired by other architects, but they don’t (never) tell designers to think of something new. So I think this is something china will do anyway in the future, but now I think we just need more people to promote this.

歐洲，也許還有許多其他國家，比如日本，在這些方面很出名。教育體系的哲理很簡(jiǎn)單，努力發(fā)明一種理念！不要模仿任何人，他們的作品都體現了這一點(diǎn)。在亞洲，包括香港、大陸，大家的靈感仍來(lái)自其他建筑師，而不是讓設計師們想出一些新穎的創(chuàng )意，我想這是中國將來(lái)應該努力的方向，但現在我們需要更多人來(lái)提倡這一點(diǎn)。

 

15. 您自己最滿(mǎn)意的作品是什么？

00:13:23

I should, I mean, I like all my stuffs. I’m joking.

我應該說(shuō)，我喜歡我所有的作品。開(kāi)個(gè)玩笑。

 

I’m afraid I’m proud of my vertical and horizontal farm tower which I’ll show you eventually, and also my … farm project because my … farm project is my first Chinese big contract. And my clients at that moment are still working at it with me. And it was designed, that I think, we would wonder first one in the world to introduce farmers and residents to live together, because in the most countries in the world, including China, you know, rich residents and farmers should never mix. But I should want them to learn from each other in order to help each other out.

恐怕我要說(shuō)我為我的立體農場(chǎng)感到驕傲，待會(huì )兒會(huì )給你看，還有我的農場(chǎng)項目，因為我的農場(chǎng)項目是接到的第一個(gè)國內大單，那時(shí)我的客戶(hù)仍在跟我合作這個(gè)項目，在這個(gè)設計中，我們是世界上第一個(gè)鼓勵農民和居民混居的，因為在世界很多國家，包括中國，有錢(qián)人跟農民是涇渭分明的，但我覺(jué)得他們應該互相學(xué)習互相幫助。

 

The other project I’m really proud of is one of my latest projects about vertical and horizontal farm tower. Also about farmer, because in a way I think why I bring two projects about farming into that place. Farming is actually disappearing in the rest of the world and in China. Because everybody wants to move into city to work in a job that pays more and less hard work. But there’s a new movement in the architecture right now is to bring in environmental architecture and also farming back because we need to eat. And if farmers keep on the working, there’s nothing to eat, you know. So my tower was based on the concept of actually farming inside the city. Again, there is something that I explored with many professors, to, for a concept, that has to work in the next twenty years.

我感到自豪的另一個(gè)項目就是最近一個(gè)關(guān)于立體農場(chǎng)的項目，也是關(guān)于農民，因為我想我把兩個(gè)關(guān)于農業(yè)的項目一起做的原因就是，農業(yè)其實(shí)正在從世界和中國消失，大家都想搬進(jìn)城里，賺的更多，工作也沒(méi)那么辛苦，但現在建筑業(yè)的一個(gè)新趨勢就是回歸環(huán)境建筑和農業(yè)，因為我們需要吃飯。如果農民們都去打工，那就沒(méi)糧食了，所以我立體農場(chǎng)的理念其實(shí)是城市內的農業(yè)，而且我和我的教授還在開(kāi)發(fā)一種理念，起碼在以后的20年都有用。

 

16.

為什么你會(huì )如此關(guān)注農業(yè)呢？

00:15:26

Because I actually like nature a lot, and, well, I mean, I’m like a human being, I like to eat, I like vegetables. And I think farmers work really hard to make us have what we have, the most basic of all elements. But if they don’t do it, who’s going to do it? That’s a big issue, you know.

因為我真的很喜歡大自然，因為我是個(gè)人類(lèi)，我喜歡吃，我喜歡吃蔬菜，我覺(jué)得農民們的工作真的很辛苦，供給了我們最根本的生活要素，但如果他們不干了，誰(shuí)來(lái)干呢？這是個(gè)大問(wèn)題。

 

17

怎樣將農業(yè)和時(shí)尚聯(lián)系在一起？

00:16:00

Two reasons why farming is really dying is because one, people think farming don’t pay them enough money, and second, it’s really hard work. So if you want your next generation to be farmers again, you gonna make them a little easier for them. That’s why in my vertical and horizontal tower, I propose a farming that is pretty easy because it’s done by robots, and also it’s a very high technology structure. So young kids, can, I should think, is, you know, really kind of interesting to work in this. So if we wish to put people back to farming, it’s not hard, it’s not poor, it’s actually even better than a city job, it’s kind of exercise at the same time.

農業(yè)正在消失有兩個(gè)原因，第一個(gè)是，人們認為農業(yè)的收益不高，其次是工作真的很辛苦。如果你想讓你的下一代仍然當農民，就應該為他們提供便利。這就是為什么我在立體農場(chǎng)里把農業(yè)設計的很輕松，活兒都是機器人在干，而且也高科技結構。所以年輕人，應該對這種工作方式很感興趣。如果我們希望人們回歸農業(yè)，并不難，也不辛苦，比城里的工作還好，同時(shí)也是一項運動(dòng)。

 

18 您對于環(huán)保的思考

00:17;16

Actually, at the moments, my company is exploring really really advanced technology. Like sustainable architecture, I know, what I mean, like solar panels, it’s actually very wasteful, because you need a huge farm to make solar found back works. And wind power is actually very big, it’s a hundred-meter tower but work with only one wind bar. That’s very old technology, and that’s what a new generational technology has to think about right now.

其實(shí)，目前我公司正在開(kāi)發(fā)非常高科技的東西，例如可持續建筑，例如太陽(yáng)電池板，其實(shí)太陽(yáng)能一般都很浪費，因為人們需要一個(gè)大型的農場(chǎng)來(lái)收集太陽(yáng)能，風(fēng)能占地也很大，上百米的風(fēng)塔僅有一條棒，這些技術(shù)都過(guò)時(shí)了，新一代技術(shù)應該解決這些問(wèn)題。

 

For example, the new idea in a sustainable technology is that, for example, in my vertical and horizontal farming again, we did solar balloons, which are balloons that are with solar-like cells inside them.

例如，可持續技術(shù)的新觀(guān)念就是，例如我的立體農場(chǎng)，我們設計了太陽(yáng)能氣球，氣球里裝有太陽(yáng)能電池。

 

Or like, we are using a new way of solar panels that are ten times lighter than the current ones, but also much easier to absorb penal energy.

或者我們新的太陽(yáng)能電池板比目前使用的輕十倍，而且更容易收集能量。

 

So, anyway, all these new technologies, actually all our projects at the moments always have something that is sustainable because it’s actually important that we have to make our environment better, because our buildings are getting better, the manufacturing has to get better too.

所以，所有這些新技術(shù)，我所有的項目都是可持續發(fā)展的，因為使環(huán)境變得更好、我們的建筑變得更好、制造業(yè)變得更好非常重要。